{"id":19037,"date":"2025-04-12T21:06:37","date_gmt":"2025-04-12T21:06:37","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/site.itshrt.com\/worldnews\/trumps-tariff-and-immigration-policies-a-second-term-power-play\/"},"modified":"2025-04-12T21:06:37","modified_gmt":"2025-04-12T21:06:37","slug":"trumps-tariff-and-immigration-policies-a-second-term-power-play","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/site.itshrt.com\/worldnews\/trumps-tariff-and-immigration-policies-a-second-term-power-play\/","title":{"rendered":"Trump\u2019s Tariff and Immigration Policies: A Second-Term Power Play"},"content":{"rendered":"<p> <script async src=\"https:\/\/pagead2.googlesyndication.com\/pagead\/js\/adsbygoogle.js?client=ca-pub-6606220950177433\"\r\n     crossorigin=\"anonymous\"><\/script>\r\n<!-- ItShrt World News -->\r\n<ins class=\"adsbygoogle\"\r\n     style=\"display:block\"\r\n     data-ad-client=\"ca-pub-6606220950177433\"\r\n     data-ad-slot=\"1882483372\"\r\n     data-ad-format=\"auto\"\r\n     data-full-width-responsive=\"true\"><\/ins>\r\n<script>\r\n     (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({});\r\n<\/script>\r\n<br \/>\n<\/p>\n<div id=\"\">\n<p class=\"css-8hvvyd\">Reporter: Backtracking on tariffs &#8230; \u201cI think the word would be flexible. You have to be flexible. I did a 90-day pause for the people that didn\u2019t retaliate.\u201d Reporter: &#8230; while doubling down on deportations. \u201cThose monsters can now be hunted down and expelled from this country with speed, force and efficiency.\u201d Reporter: It\u2019s been a volatile week in Washington. \u201cThese are real consequences for the American people. This is amateur hour, and it needs to stop.\u201d Reporter: As two of Trump\u2019s signature policies were tested by the markets and the courts, from The New York Times, this is The Roundtable. I\u2019m Zolan Kanno-Youngs with Hamed Aleaziz and Jonathan Swan. All right. So, guys, I feel like a lot has happened this week and especially on two, on these two issues that we\u2019re going to be talking about: tariffs and immigration. So, Hamed, you are an expert on immigration policy, and so much of the policies that we\u2019re talking about goes even further than what we saw in the first Trump term, right? What do you think is the reason for that? I feel like they believe they have a mandate from the American public to carry out a mass deportation campaign. They look at the poll numbers. They see that Americans were not pleased with the way the Biden administration was handling immigration, and they support deportation. So, I think that makes them feel like, OK, this is our time to throw everything against the wall. And at the same time, you have leadership like the D.H.S. secretary, Kristi Noem, who\u2019s very aggressive. The first go-around, we had, obviously Kirstjen Nielsen and John Kelly. These were people who were, compared to other Trump officials, more restrained. And later on, they had career officials running the Department of Homeland Security as well. This go-around, Kristi Noem is willing to do whatever &#8211; \u201cTo go to a prison in El Salvador while there\u2019s deportees there.\u201d Exactly. \u201cAnd essentially do a photo op there.\u201d Exactly. \u201cDo not come to our country illegally. You will be removed, and you will be prosecuted. But know that this facility is one of the tools in our toolkit that we will use if you commit crimes against the American people.\u201d Go on ICE raids with ICE agents wearing the tactical gear, carrying weapons. This is something that we\u2019ve never seen before. And I think that\u2019s the main difference, is now the leadership in place is willing to take it. You mentioned the career officials. Is this by design, Jonathan, that you now have a cast around Trump that\u2019s less likely to push back on some of these policies? Very much so. When he left office in 2021, his biggest regret from the first term was who he hired. Just think about it from Trump\u2019s perspective. Term one, comes in, businessman never been in government. Doesn\u2019t really know what he\u2019s doing. Picks a bunch of people who he\u2019s never really met before. A lot of them were Washington establishment-type figures who fundamentally disagreed with him on economics, foreign policy, national security, a number of issues. Trump resents that. He makes a bunch of decisions that he\u2019s later quite angry that he allowed these advisers to talk him into X, Y and Z. So for a second term, he doesn\u2019t want that. He wants to do it his way. And just think about it from his perspective. Everyone has told him you\u2019ll never be president again. You\u2019re finished after Jan. 6. He gets indicted in four different jurisdictions. He gets criminally convicted, he gets shot, and then he becomes president again. Can you imagine the level of confidence that you take into the White House, someone who\u2019s already extremely self-confident? The ability of Trump to overcome all of that, I think, has supercharged his confidence. He has no opposition. Congress is not really &#8211; you could hardly describe it as a separate branch. I mean, it is basically Trump staffers. The leadership certainly is doing exactly what Trump wants. He\u2019s not going to get impeached. He\u2019s also immune. The Supreme Court has conferred broad immunity upon him. It\u2019s total impunity and unaccountability. So, Jonathan, if my friend comes up to me at a bar and asks me like, what just happened with this tariff saga with the president, what would you what should I say? Was it a capitulation? What do you think made him freeze, it right? When I think of Trump this Trump term, I think of somebody who hasn\u2019t backed down in some instances and continued to charge forward. What made him in this instance, you and our colleagues on the White House team have been reporting a lot about this. I was having a conversation like a couple of months ago with our colleague Tom Friedman on the opinion desk, and he said, I don\u2019t really believe in politics anymore. But I believe in physics. And I would tweak that quote slightly to say, I believe in the bond markets. OK? Like, Donald Trump was staring down a potential financial panic. \u201cPeople were jumping a little bit out of line. They were getting yippy, you know? They were getting a little bit yippy, a little bit afraid.\u201d All the signals were highly alarming to his team. There was basically a loss of confidence in America and a sense that this could really spiral out of control into a full-blown crisis. I mean, $10 trillion was wiped out of the stock market. You know, that\u2019s a bit of pain to endure. But Donald Trump doesn\u2019t want to be the person held responsible for a recession. That\u2019s what drove this decision. It was a fear-driven decision. All his aides are now out there saying this was the strategy all along, the plan all along. \u201cThis was his strategy all along.\u201d \u201cThis was not a walk-back. This was not something that the bond markets were cratering and you were worried about it.\u201d Total garbage. Total. Yeah. Like, let\u2019s be, like, let\u2019s be respectful of our audience. Completely absurd. This was forced upon them by really serious concerns about financial panic. \u201cI haven\u2019t spoken to the president since. .. \u201cSo the trade representative hasn\u2019t spoken to the president of the United States about a global reordering of trade.\u201d \u201cYes, I have. And I\u2019m in a hearing with you, sir. &#8230;\u201d \u201cBut yet he announced it on a tweet. WTF?\u201d I saw various Democrats pointing to Trump\u2019s Truth Social post in the morning where he seemed to say, paraphrasing, but now is the time to buy. We had a bunch of different Democrats saying, accusing the administration of market manipulation. \u201cWe need to get to the bottom of the possible stock manipulation that is unfolding.\u201d \u201cI think we need a full, independent investigation into who was trading, who made money, who knew what and when they knew it.\u201d I wonder if this moment could be one that also prompts the Democrats to sort of coalesce around a unified message, because they\u2019ve kind of been picking their punches thus far. It seems like they\u2019ve been cautious thus far. What do you think? Yeah, I still await evidence that the Democrats can get their act together. If there\u2019s ever an opportunity, it\u2019s the economy. And when you talk to a lot of Democratic strategists, their analysis, a lot of mainstream Democratic strategists, their analysis of the election was we lost the debate on immigration. We lost the cultural debate. But they all acknowledged that if prices stay high, if the economy is wobbly, if families are feeling stressed, that this is a real danger zone for Donald Trump. And remember, it\u2019s true that many Americans don\u2019t own stocks, but a lot of people are invested in the stock market through their 401(k)s, and there was, again, the reason Donald Trump made this decision is this could have bled into the real economy. If the economy is one issue that the president, you could argue, won the election on, the other is immigration here. So do you think like this expansion that we\u2019re seeing is an effort to sort of make good on political promises, or is there something more there in terms of the motive? I think they\u2019re trying to make people feel uncomfortable. I think they are not so far, they have not conducted a mass deportation campaign. The numbers that were promised during the campaign have not been realized and are not on track to be realized. How do you get there? You get people to feel uncomfortable and decide to leave on their own accord. That\u2019s why you\u2019ve seen lately them talk about self-deportation repeatedly, right. You see them say, don\u2019t make us come to your home and arrest you. Leave , leave by yourself. And this is a message that Tom Homan is spreading. This is a message that the D.H.S. secretary, Kristi Noem, is spreading. \u201cSo we will help you buy your plane ticket and your travel documents so that you can go today.\u201d That is potentially their only way of getting to those high numbers. One thing we haven\u2019t talked about yet is the administration\u2019s use of this wartime authority to continue to try to deport Venezuelans with little to no due process. This law we\u2019re talking about, the Alien Enemies Act, we\u2019ve had some back and forth with the courts here. But I think one thing is clear is this administration is not going to shy away or back down from using this policy at this point. They\u2019re still determined to continue to use this, right? Definitely. I think this is something that they\u2019ve been planning to use for a while, and they feel like the path has been laid for them to continue to use it. And it helps a lot. Ultimately, it\u2019s very helpful to deport people without little, without much due process, because that due process bogs down the system and makes it harder to get those deportation numbers up. Are you hearing from anyone on the inside who\u2019s uncomfortable with what they\u2019re seeing, rattled by what they\u2019re seeing thus far? Definitely. It feels like for folks that I\u2019ve talked to a sense of, you know, what\u2019s next. What else are we going to be asked to do. What was surprising to me was seeing him target college students. These students who have protested on campuses, pro-Gaza protesters that the Trump administration targeted, picked up. And these were people who were here with green cards, visas, and they were thrown into ICE detention. And the administration right now is arguing that we need to remove them because it serves foreign policy of the United States. This is something I had never heard of before. And one thing that\u2019s much different this time, I would say as well, is the general attack on federal employees is also on D.H.S., the D.H.S. secretary has talked about repeatedly that they will root out leaks. And one way to do that is to polygraph people. That didn\u2019t happen the first Trump administration. And at the same time, there\u2019s a real fear around losing their jobs, people losing their jobs through the general reduction in force that Elon Musk and others has pushed. So you have a really, a bad culture right now at the department. People feeling uneasy on all levels. Is that culture, that same sort of anxious vibe, inside, is that shared by some of the president\u2019s economic advisers or is it just full loyalty? Scott Bessent, the Treasury secretary, was not thrilled, to say the least, about the tariff roll-out last week and the aggressiveness and the breadth of the tariffs. I mean, even a person like Howard Lutnick, the Commerce secretary, who publicly is a cheerleader for the tariffs, privately was arguing strenuously for more exemptions. So yeah, 100 percen, there are disagreements and tensions on the team. But nobody\u2019s arguing for no tariffs. No one who\u2019s working for Donald Trump at this point is like, Oh you know what? Maybe we could talk him out of this tariff thing. It\u2019s like, no, no, that ship has sailed. So it\u2019s arguments that are about the level of the tariffs, the breadth of the tariffs, the targeting, et cetera. No one\u2019s saying, sir, we shouldn\u2019t do tariffs. So if that\u2019s the feel from his economic advisers, Jonathan, I know one thing you\u2019ve been tracking too is the response from the business community when it comes to these tariffs, whether it\u2019s some private law firms, the private sector too. What\u2019s the business community\u2019s reaction been so far to this saga? Well, I mean, they hate the tariffs, of course. But if you\u2019re a C.E.O. with any perception or intelligence, you realize that attacking Donald Trump publicly, while it might be principled, is probably not going to get you a good outcome. And what we\u2019ve seen taking, setting tariffs aside for a second, I mean, this parade of business people offering him money, Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, it\u2019s pretty clear that they\u2019re all worried about him targeting them. And the Trump people weaponized this very effectively. They monetize it, actually. It\u2019s not just that Trump collects the million-dollar check for his inauguration. His people will then hit them up again, phone call and say, hey, it\u2019d be real nice if you gave us $10 million for our PAC. I mean, it\u2019s just basically saying, hey, guys, you might want to give us some money. I mean, the law firms is just brazen and Trump. I mean, Trump\u2019s very proud of it, which is basically, we are going to go after you unless you promise us &#8211; the number keeps going up, I think it\u2019s now like 100 million, $125 million worth of pro bono work to support our causes. \u201cSo I have a lot of legal fees I could give to you people, but, and we might as well use them. Hopefully I won\u2019t need that many legal fees or that much. I may.\u201d I mean, this is astonishing. What\u2019s astonishing, just in terms of comparing this to term one, I mean, I remember the word resistance getting thrown around so much, remember law firms filing lawsuits. To see it to this level, where now you\u2019re seeing this money go out. But it\u2019s something else on the thing we\u2019re working on, myself and a number of my colleagues is: term one, his retribution was haphazard. It was often informal, off the cuff. A lot of it was done secretively. Now it\u2019s just, it\u2019s streamlined. It\u2019s formalized. It comes in the form of public presidential decrees. He signed executive orders directing his government to examine the activities of two of his critics who used to work in his administration, Chris Krebs and Miles Taylor, former D.H.S. official, too. He just named them. Just named them. It\u2019s very out in the open, and the message to his critics and his adversaries is, you could be next. All of these pre-emptive capitulations that you see, it\u2019s just how can I get out in front of this. How can I not be next. How much of that is a motive behind his tariffs. Does Donald Trump also just like the action of threatening tariffs, hanging it over nations and watching to see what they\u2019ll do. As we talk about retribution, as we talk about Trump asserting his power over these various aspects of society, just how much of the tariffs are actually about him kind of wanting to see these countries come to the White House begging? I think two things can be true. I think it\u2019s indisputably true, Trump says it himself, you can see how much he\u2019s enjoying, he says they\u2019re all kissing my ass. They\u2019re all coming and begging &#8211; real quote, by the way \u201cI\u2019m telling you, these countries are calling us up, kissing my ass. They are. They are dying to make a deal. Please please, sir. Make a deal. I\u2019ll do anything. I\u2019ll do anything, sir.\u201d He literally said that on the record. And he loves this, I call it a begging economy that he\u2019s kind of created. But it\u2019s also true that he\u2019s been talking about tariffs for 40 years. And it\u2019s an issue he actually does have a belief in, a deep belief in and a pretty consistent belief in, which is unusual for Donald Trump in that he believes that foreign nations have been ripping America off. America has been led by stupid people who\u2019ve squandered American wealth, squandered American jobs. And he sees tariffs as this almost magic solution for &#8211; there\u2019s no problem that can\u2019t be solved with a good tariff. If it\u2019s that central to his identity, going back to his business days, too, is he listening to anybody on it? It\u2019s not that he\u2019s not listening to anyone. Obviously, what they saw in the markets caused him to have a pretty dramatic reversal. But it took the blinking red lights for him to pull back. What about on immigration? Who does the president listen to? We, us three talk about this a lot. Let\u2019s tell folks who are the inner circle that can really advise the president on immigration? Well, I think Tom Homan is a key figure. This is somebody that President Trump has talked about fondly for years. During the first Trump administration, President Trump was talking about him repeatedly when Mr Homan was running ICE. He sees him as one of the loyal figures in the administration. And he\u2019s the, I think he sees Homan as somebody who knows his stuff, who\u2019s a lawman, who\u2019s been in federal law enforcement for decades and believes in the Trump policies, in cracking down, in mass deportations. Who else, who else in terms is the president&#8230;. Stephen Miller is the architect. Yeah, he\u2019s the architect. And he has the longest exposure to Trump on this issue. I mean, when Stephen Miller came onto the campaign in 2015, he traveled around with him, was a very small team, and he has been obsessed with immigration since he was a high school student. And the issue looms so large for him above every other issue. I mean, Stephen Miller is in charge of all domestic policy from the White House, deputy chief of staff in charge. That\u2019s a difference from first time. He has broader power, much more power. But for Stephen Miller, every issue always links back to immigration. A lot of what he told us on the record then is what they\u2019re exactly what they\u2019re doing right now. And Trump trusts him. He\u2019s got his ear. You could make a case that he is the most powerful, if not one of the most powerful unelected people in the country. I mean, he\u2019s the most powerful unelected people in the country &#8211; 100 percent &#8211; and do you think he distinguishes between legal immigration and illegal immigration? He definitely distinguishes between them. But there are certain categories of immigrants that are legal, but Steven views as illegitimate. Steven Miller views like a temporary protected status or something like that. They would view them all generally as people who shouldn\u2019t be in this country. The student visa, kind of I think, almost factors into that description, too, because one thing that we\u2019ve heard a lot from Trump\u2019s aides is, as this crackdown has gone on, they\u2019ve said, look, a student visa is a privilege. It is a privilege that can be revoked. As, and we\u2019re seeing it revoked when &#8211; Which is true &#8211; Obviously, like obviously true. No one\u2019s suggesting what they\u2019re doing is illegal, is it, on the student visa stuff? I suppose there\u2019s a free speech component to it. Yeah, I mean, some of this is going to be tested in federal courts, is whether or not you can broadly say that you can take away somebody\u2019s green card because the secretary of state says so. Yes, it\u2019s true that you can revoke a student visa, that you can rescind a green card if you\u2019re charged for a crime, a violent crime. But what we\u2019re seeing here are also college students that have participated in protests, pro-Palestine, anti-Israel protests in some cases, and we lack evidence for a lot of these cases because the administration hasn\u2019t presented it or provided it. It does seem to be a free speech issue. Here again, they\u2019re citing another obscure statute that basically says that these folks engaged in activity that undermined U.S. foreign policy. Therefore, we will rescind your student visa, rescind your green card. That seems very broad to me. Activity that undermines foreign policy. They\u2019ve argued antisemitism thus far. But are your sources telling you how much further they could take the use of that statute? I haven\u2019t heard that yet, but I think you\u2019re right, that that statute could be used broadly. And I think it\u2019s important to think about this. The way they\u2019re talking about these people is in the frame of threats, terror threats. These are people who are terrorist sympathizers, who are potentially liable to do damage to our country. But when it comes to this provision being used, we\u2019ve never really seen this be used on a repeated basis like we\u2019ve seen in the last few months. It\u2019s completely new. Totally new. There have been a lot of local stories across the country about college students losing their visas. Outside of the context of what we heard a few weeks ago, where people were getting their visas revoked for protesting, this appears to be a broader effort where hundreds of students and campuses across the country are getting their visas revoked, and there is no clarity or transparency from the government on what this is all about. And what specifically is happening is something that really has not been answered yet, and it\u2019s causing mass panic amongst international students. You\u2019re talking beyond just the protests? Definitely beyond the protest, beyond the protest. This is where on campuses where there wasn\u2019t a mass, mass protest happening, right. What we\u2019re seeing in almost every state, I mean, we\u2019re hearing about this every single day. I know we\u2019re reporting nonstop. But appreciate you guys joining. Jonathan Swan, Hamed Aleaziz, thanks so much. 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